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Technical Support: Who is deleting entire THREADS in the forums?
PiersMorgan
Created by: piersmorgan

6/11/11 @ 11:39am (EDT) | UTC - 4:00
Posts: 55

It is bad enough that some messages are marked "removed by administrator" for no reason in the forums.
I just noticed something far worse. There are entire THREADS being deleted from the forums, again for no good reason.

Here's an idea. Whenever an administrator decides to remove a message or entire thread, the poster of that message should be informed and told WHY it was done, so they won't do it again. On the other hand, if the post or thread was unjustifiably censored, then that administrator can go explain their actions to Brad Estes.

I now do a screen capture of every post I make and every post my friends make. When they vanish in the future, I will be sending them to Brad and he can deal with it.

I have one little example of why this situation is a problem. On a competing website that has a 24/7 format which has two "studios", they used one elderly man who would monitor their site for free. That man would be online watching the chat like a hawk. He even set up the chat where everytime certain words were used in the chat, an alarm would go off on his computer and he would take a look. This went on for at least 5 years. The man was extremely abusive. Anybody that said anything HE didn't like got banned - permanently. This man also didn't like new members and would ban them almost every time they showed up. He just liked to chat with his friends that he knew for years on the site. Anyway, this man pretty much destroyed that website because he would either ban or scare away all new members. That site runs on a monthly subscription basis, and their memberships dropped down to just a handful of people. I pointed this out to the owner of the site, and he finally fired the man - which was ironic because he was working for free! Unfortunately, by the time the man was fired, the site had to cut back from a HUGE house studio and a tiny house to just the tiny house. Also, the tiny house is in an out of the way location where they can't get any good models. That site is going down the drain this year.

The point is.. when someone is given the power to affect the operation of the site, they must be rational, fair, and attentive. When there are problems, they should try and fix them by means of warnings or information or explanations instead of terminating the customers. The customers are the BLOOD of any company.

I pay pretty close attention to the forums. In one instance, I saw one thread entirely removed from the forum, and then Brad reviewed it - and the thread RE-appeared! Apparently Brad doesn't have a policy of deleting threads, but others with the power to do so, DO delete them.

Whoever is deleting the threads, please delete this one also, because I am doing a screen capture of it and I want to show Brad the problem of threads and messages being censored for no justifiable reason.
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Created by: phil_usa

6/11/11 @ 12:12pm (EDT) | UTC - 4:00
Location: Driving Down Thunder Road
Posts: 4,747




Please delete this one also LOL!

That's humorous even though I know you are very serious about this matter. :)

I do know that an entire thread was removed when I reported an abusive comment by one model to another.

I only wanted the comment removed, but the entire thread was removed instaed!
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paperpunch09
Created by: paperpunch09

6/11/11 @ 12:14pm (EDT) | UTC - 4:00
Location: USA
Posts: 3,146

Brad has more important issues to deal with than your idiotic complaints/suggestions.




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Created by: suggs

6/11/11 @ 12:36pm (EDT) | UTC - 4:00
Location: Left of centre
Posts: 6,768

Aww, entire threads are getting removed, boo-fucking-hoo. Here's me playing the worlds smallest violin in sympathy.

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drofliuG
Created by: drofliug

6/11/11 @ 12:52pm (EDT) | UTC - 4:00
Posts: 40


I really dont get it.

You are continously putting posts here about ridiculous things , as you can see from the other responses the others are getting tired of it too.

It is now quite evident that TOMCRUISE, piersmorgan , Kirkcameron and Sud0ku and all the one person posting from different accounts .

Strange..

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Created by: ourjeffie

6/11/11 @ 1:20pm (EDT) | UTC - 4:00
Location: Brisbane Australia, home of the 2032 Olympic Games
Posts: 45,940


It is now quite evident that TOMCRUISE, piersmorgan , Kirkcameron and Sud0ku are all the one person posting from different accounts


,,, and Collegecamboi and Smooth-Keith :)
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Created by: ronnie-uk

6/11/11 @ 5:36pm (EDT) | UTC - 4:00
Location: London, UK
Posts: 2,381

Since this rubbish thread is going to be deleted, it means we can add any old nonsense. It doesn't need to be true. It doesn't need to be interesting to anybody. It doesn't even need to belong to the right forum. What a luxury!

I like coincidences. There seem to have been an awful lot of rubbish threads in the last month or so. TomCruise, PiersMorgan and KirkCameron all seem to have arrived at about the same time. They all seem to be fans of Cupidonn and Jack Vorobey, but no-one else. They have all posted tributes to Cupidonn in the Gay forum. They all seem to write in the same lengthy but articulate style. They have all introduced lots of topics.

If they are not the same person it is the most amazing coincidence. If they are the same person, worrying to thing of how many topics that one person has produced.

Which was the one who complained that he couldn't use his emoticons? The advice was: turn them on.

Oh that was fun. :)
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Created by: suggs

6/11/11 @ 7:01pm (EDT) | UTC - 4:00
Location: Left of centre
Posts: 6,768

Since this rubbish thread is going to be deleted, it means we can add any old nonsense. It doesn't need to be true. It doesn't need to be interesting to anybody. It doesn't even need to belong to the right forum. What a luxury!

I like coincidences. There seem to have been an awful lot of rubbish threads in the last month or so. TomCruise, PiersMorgan and KirkCameron all seem to have arrived at about the same time. They all seem to be fans of Cupidonn and Jack Vorobey, but no-one else. They have all posted tributes to Cupidonn in the Gay forum. They all seem to write in the same lengthy but articulate style. They have all introduced lots of topics.

If they are not the same person it is the most amazing coincidence. If they are the same person, worrying to thing of how many topics that one person has produced.

Which was the one who complained that he couldn't use his emoticons? The advice was: turn them on.

Oh that was fun. :)



None of the above moaned about the non-functioning emoticons, that was Sud0ku.
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Created by: ourjeffie

6/11/11 @ 7:23pm (EDT) | UTC - 4:00
Location: Brisbane Australia, home of the 2032 Olympic Games
Posts: 45,940


Yes Suggs, but Collegecamboi, KirkCameron, PiersMorgan, Sud0ku, Smooth-Keith and TOMCRUISE all appear to be the same person
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SlVlASl-l
Created by: slvlasl-l

6/12/11 @ 12:21am (EDT) | UTC - 4:00
Posts: 790


lol@this thread..but uh, fyi, if you don't give "brad" his $39.95 a month, he don't really give a shit what ya got your knickers in a wad over ;)
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PiersMorgan
Created by: piersmorgan

6/12/11 @ 12:24am (EDT) | UTC - 4:00
Posts: 55




Please delete this one also LOL!

That's humorous even though I know you are very serious about this matter. :)

I do know that an entire thread was removed when I reported an abusive comment by one model to another.

I only wanted the comment removed, but the entire thread was removed instaed!


Once I get ahold of Brad Estes or Greg Clayman, I am confident some things will be cleared up. The problem is actually quite small, BUT it only takes one bad apples to ruin the batch.

It fascinates me how much resistance I get in my attempts to improve the site for, the members, the site itself, and most of all the MODELS.

It doesn't take much observation to realize that this site NEEDS MORE CUSTOMERS. That is why I am constantly in various rooms trying to get grays to register and finding ways they can get a working card for the site (for instance, the MAESTRO card for the European Union). Notice how many people participate in the forums, and how many people are in the models rooms. It should be MORE. I feel terrible whenever I go to a room, and I am the ONLY chatter there! You have no idea how much it hurts a model's feelings to be abused or neglected. Just TODAY, I saw a new model - PhilUSA liked him and wrote a nice review for him. That model is fantastic.. BUT he got almost NO privates at all.. perhaps just a few seconds. He got a few 100 credit tips all from ONE guy. That is a shame! Chatters didn't get to see him do his stuff, the model didn't make much in credits, and consequently, the site didn't make much revenue either!

It is most annoying that roughly 3 forum posters do nothing but take a piss on meaningful messages.
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Created by: ronnie-uk

6/12/11 @ 7:56am (EDT) | UTC - 4:00
Location: London, UK
Posts: 2,381

PiersMorgan - You made quite a good point in your first post in this thread. If someone has a topic or a post removed by the administrator, it would be useful if they knew why. Seems sensible, although there is a simple and obvious answer.

You then spoil the point by asking VS to delete the thread and say you are ready with your screen capture program. You then say you are going to keep sending your screen captures to Brad (poor man). You then totally ruin the point by including a huge paragraph about some old man working on a totally different site.

Your last addition to this thread is about struggling models. Nothing to do with the original topic.

You will have noticed that VIP members and other users here are naturally helpful, and want to respond to genuine requests for help and advice. However, we are all getting the feeling that you are being totally self-indulgent and creating new topics whenever anything pops into your head. If others did that, it would be a shambles.

I am pretty active in the forums. In this particular forum I have opened just one topic. That was in support of a system error reported by Op Roo. A genuine Technical Support issue.

In the last few weeks the number of new topics you have started is:

7 as PiersMorgan
6 as TOMCRUISE
4 as Sud0ku
1 as KirkCameron

That is 18 new topics. That really is too much. And it doesn't include topics created in other forums, and posts you have added to other topics.

Can I please ask you to show some restraint. If not it is likely that your future topics will just be ignored, and that would be a pity if you ever need help from members or VS on a really serious issue.

Just my :twocents
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PiersMorgan
Created by: piersmorgan

6/13/11 @ 3:09am (EDT) | UTC - 4:00
Posts: 55

PiersMorgan - You made quite a good point in your first post in this thread. If someone has a topic or a post removed by the administrator, it would be useful if they knew why. Seems sensible, although there is a simple and obvious answer.

You then spoil the point by asking VS to delete the thread and say you are ready with your screen capture program. You then say you are going to keep sending your screen captures to Brad (poor man). You then totally ruin the point by including a huge paragraph about some old man working on a totally different site.


Can I please ask you to show some restraint. If not it is likely that your future topics will just be ignored, and that would be a pity if you ever need help from members or VS on a really serious issue.

Just my :twocents



I tend to agree with you Ronnie, but notice that several of my posts get no answers other than some moronic comment from Guilford drofliuG or someone saying "WTF?" I try to present an issue, support it with examples, and hope to get some meaningful response. That isn't happening. Even in my post about the "cost of vip memberships and pvt shows" I summarized an entire course in economics into several paragraphs. One extremely successful model on this site has seen his fanbase crumble rapidly because he has set his rates too high. Models and the site should set their rates to whatever maximizes their revenue, but like in the story Goldilocks.. there is a problem with both "too much and too little.. too high and too low".
My posts also tend to be long because I would prefer to write one long post rather than 50 short ones.

But, you are correct. I am posting too much. However, even ONE of drofliuG's flaming posts is too much.

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I must add one more comment: at a nearby college that someone I know attends, every instructor is technically required to be in their office and taking calls for a minimum of 10 hours per week. They are paid a large salary based upon a 40 hour week, and they only spend perhaps 6 hours per week in class, so they certainly should be in their offices working. However, that is not the case. Most of the instructors never put in any time in their offices. They do their in class lectures and go home. Must be nice to get paid for 40 hours and only work 6. They get away with this because nobody else besides me seems to care. I continue to try and get that problem fixed but it isn't working. I am considering getting a job there myself so I can collect a big fat salary based upon 40 hours and only working 6.
The point is: to solve any problem, 2 or more people must communicate in a rational and meaningful way, otherwise, problems don't get solved. There are problems here.
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