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Created by: gofish

12/12/17 @ 1:40am (EDT) | UTC - 4:00
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Not sure if the site provides a guide book for any of these new performers, but think it is really required.
The TOY has finally taken over the site and lets just say it cannot be easy for any new performer starting out on the site. Sorry guys but think the days of making money on the site are long over if you are not able to spice up your chat room. Somehow any performer has to look outside the box and all out nudity is not the option.
So many performers fail to take advantage of viewers entering the room in merely trying to engage with them. Yep there are those viewers who keep repeating SHOW COCK or LETS SEE ASS, but guys the key is to TEASE them back.
There are a lot of good members out there and well worth having in the room. Talk to those who enter the room and for heavens sake turn of the whisper and don't whisper to them. Activity in the chat room is always a must and face it can make the time online worth while. Stop with the thinking that privates happen every 15 minutes and had fun with those in your room. The days of the free and easy path on the site are long over and doubt they will ever return so enjoy your time. I am not saying it is impossible to reach for the top on the site, but rather taking advantage of everything the site offers is a must and merely giving it your all.
Hope some performers get a positive feel to this message because guy we all want Flirt to be the awesome site that it should be.
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Created by: zyxwv098

12/12/17 @ 4:11am (EDT) | UTC - 4:00
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gofish, you offer some good advice in this post, but will you PLEASE let go of this crusade against whispering? We all know you want everyone to speak openly in chat. However, whispering CAN be of value to both model and member alike when discretion is paramount. A new model wanting to do well can quietly ask for advice, and a member wishing to help a new model (but not able at the time to go into private with him) can invisibly offer suggestions in response (not to mention quality members silently warning a model not to be taken in or conned by other members promising tips or privates if the model flashes in open).

You're right that models can't simply engage with viewers in the room, but it's a start, and do you really think any amount of training can prepare a new model for all the "show cock bb" (and worse) comments? Until they become comfortable enough to ignore or counter them, it may be all they can do to just communicate plainly with the viewers in the room. Besides, a model's first days on the site are a time for him to figure out what works for him and what doesn't...part of that is learning what he has the composure to do about those "show cock" viewers, whether it be tease, calmly shut them down, or ignore them completely.

I don't doubt that it's a "tough haul" for the new models...but please don't make it harder by asking them to give up one of the tools they can use to ask for help, or expect them to be polished performers from the moment they turn on the cam for the first time.

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Created by: z-money

12/12/17 @ 5:53am (EDT) | UTC - 4:00
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Agree with z. Whispers are important, and this sounds a lot more like fishy preference than the key to success for new performers. Low or non-tippers love a buzzing chatroom since that provides the bulk of their entertainment. Yes, a chatroom with activity is more appealing than a blank one with behind-the-scenes whispering, but not everyone comes to flirt for endless banter in the chatroom. Being new is tough, but I don't think there's a "just do this" to be successful.

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Created by: twixel

12/12/17 @ 12:50pm (EDT) | UTC - 4:00
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I agree with the Z's

Additionally, the new performers need to take the time to understand the software before just jumping online hoping to make the big bucks. Read the performer forums, reach out and ask advice from some of the other models, learn how to use the software. So many jump on and have no idea how to whisper, start a party, how to check their own stats, etc.

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Created by: gofish

12/12/17 @ 1:22pm (EDT) | UTC - 4:00
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Yes Twixel it does seem that merely understanding the working of the software is an issue.
Sorry if I might have offended certain members about that "whisper" word, but that was not the whole intent of the thread in the first place. Have encountered so many chat room where is it actually NO activity what so ever. No even a Christmas Elf WHISPERING (OPPS there is that word again) in the back ground. HA HA HA
The fact is that the site has totally changed from what it used to be. Most of those performers with lots of fans have come from a period where the site was far different than it is today. The new performers often end up fighting an uphill battle as they say. I am not saying that there are not a lot of very cool new performers out there, but geez when a performer says "I am here for the money" what exactly does that say about him or for that matter her in the first place.
The idea of the forum is to open up things to making Flirt a better place...to provide options that both members and performers might consider.
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Created by: twixel

12/12/17 @ 2:08pm (EDT) | UTC - 4:00
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Yes Fish, as stated in many previous posts, the site has changed. It will not go back to what it was so all will accept it or not, time to move forward with what it is. I have not been a member for 20 years but the site is top notch compared to many others I have seen.

All models whether they state it or not are here for "the money", that is how it is sold to them to join. Even your top porn stars, they are not here for the fans but for the extra income and some of the studios require them to spend time. It is up to them on how they want to make that money and the return will be based on what they invest into it, money and time. They may make acquaintances along the way but when they move on those connections will most likely not move with them. (There might be a few rare occasions)

Besides, you have the same people commenting and creating the posts in the forums. There are thousands of other members and models that don't care or bother to look at the forums. The few that do should be happy with some of the change they have been able to help provide.

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Created by: myelmo

12/12/17 @ 3:26pm (EDT) | UTC - 4:00
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i am a bad member who tip MODELS for toys and nudity and i am not the only bad boy in the rooms

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Created by: perfessir

12/12/17 @ 6:56pm (EDT) | UTC - 4:00

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Yet another try by gofish to be in charge and sound like he knows stuff.

All new businesses are tough to get started. No reason this one should be different. In the case of fantasy sex sites, like this one, hot naked bodies do the trick much faster than teasing or conversing. If you want flirt credits, shimmy something up your ass. That's just the way it is, and whining about it won't change it. If you want conversation, go to a blog or a chatroom not associated with fantasy sex.

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Created by: steaminpants

12/12/17 @ 6:59pm (EDT) | UTC - 4:00

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"The toy" may make it easier for new performers. They don't have to know or do anything much other than insert and shake on cue.

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Created by: gofish

12/12/17 @ 8:20pm (EDT) | UTC - 4:00
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"The toy" may make it easier for new performers. They don't have to know or do anything much other than insert and shake on cue.

WOOW steaminpants I thgink you get the #1 award for your response without a doubt.....Up the ASS and cue up for the launch. OPPS think I should has WHISPERED that in case it could offend anyone out there.

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Created by: 640509040147

12/12/17 @ 10:48pm (EDT) | UTC - 4:00
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Ah yes, our biweekly reminder about the dangers behind whispering. If there is some-how-to book/tutorial out there, whispering must be included in it since it's one of the first things models (new and experienced) do....

But to the actual topic at hand, I feel like any newcomer has a challenge when they decide to take on camming. The mere fact that they are literally competing against hundreds is everyday is a hurdle in itself.

So unless models do something that make them stand out, are a "Hot 10" in someone's POV or leave a lasting first impression, they fall back on that interactive toy staple, which is probably encouraged to use to begin with.

The days of the free and easy path on the site are long over and doubt they will ever return so enjoy your time. I am not saying it is impossible to reach for the top on the site, but rather taking advantage of everything the site offers is a must and merely giving it your all.
Hope some performers get a positive feel to this message because guy we all want Flirt to be the awesome site that it should be.
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I can't speak on what the site used to be like years ago, only on how things have played out since I joined but I will say that I've personally found the site to be enjoyable as it currently is.

Look, I'm not even a fan of it (seriously) but fully aware that it helps bring in credits to models - which is, has and always will be their end game. So you can either play along or just visit one of the other hundred rooms available.

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Created by: freneticallycalm

12/13/17 @ 6:13am (EDT) | UTC - 4:00
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i am a bad member who tip MODELS for toys and nudity and i am not the only bad boy in the rooms

Nope. That's exactly what I do. I tip when I see something I like. I enjoy chatting but a good show is what gets me to spend.

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Created by: freneticallycalm

12/13/17 @ 6:42am (EDT) | UTC - 4:00
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Mkay ...
So to deal with GoFish's important point, which has NOTHING to do with nostalgia ...
THE MODELS NEED A HANDBOOK!
Yes, I think we're all frustrated by the fact that we know more about the model's businesses than they do. Here's my makeshift handbook for newbs ...
- Look at the camera, not off to some screen.
- Put your damn phone down. See the above point.
- Talk, verbally, to your audience AND type. Don't be on mute.
- Type to the room and whisper to individuals. Solves Fish's whisper dilemma.
- Smile. Look happy, horny, available and interested.
- Party chats should ALWAYS have goals (100 for shirtless, 200 for pantsless, etc.) Party Chats without goals are pointless.
- Learn to use the counter feature in TOPIC. It's there to help with Party Chats.It counts how many credits you've received.
- Group shows get people to preview what your privates might be like. HOWEVER, evaluate the interest beforehand. If 4 people will pay 50 credits, don't have a 2,000 credit group show. Do math.
- Know how to use Exclusive, multi-user, make an offer and voyeur features
- If you're new and you're charging 50+ cpm for privates, you're not gonna get as many. 40 Exclusive - 25 Multi-User - 10 Voyeur is about right.
- Negotiate people's fantasies. If someone has a fantasy that will take 20 minutes but only has 400 credits, negotiate that with them. Figure out people's fantasies and credit limits in advance. It's okay to plan for another day.
- Talk about your own sexual likes and dislikes. I have to drag this out of some models like it's a big secret. Models who can honestly share their dislikes or turn offs, at least we're discussing sex. This is not the site to be a prude.
- Any other feature I missed? Email? fan Club? Favorite? Figure out how to integrate that as part of flow to keep our interest (and credits).

This is how you maximize your credit return as a new or even obscure performer. If you're a Bel Ami porn star, charge 100 cpm cause you know you'll get it. These are some of the obvious mistakes I see new and obscure people making ALL THE TIME.
If you can't talk, type, smile, do math, negotiate, look at the camera, work the features or discuss sex ... yeah, that's why you're broke.
All that stuff I just described. There's 1 word that sums it up: flirting.

You're welcome.

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Created by: asti

12/13/17 @ 7:13am (EDT) | UTC - 4:00
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...as stated in many previous posts, the site has changed. It will not go back to what it was so all will accept it or not, time to move forward with what it is.

Give it time, in another 2 and 5 and 10 years the site will evolve again. What we experience today will very likely be altered in the years ahead. Members must adjust as well. My own expectations did and not grudgingly. They changed along with the site's. If the changes are too much for members, probably other sites may accommodate those needs better.

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Created by: z-money

12/13/17 @ 8:36am (EDT) | UTC - 4:00
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FC, there are a few things I think you're off on. Party goals work for models that have high traffic rooms with tippers. I can't tell you how many rooms I go into that have goals that no one contributes to. I think it has to do with them seeming unachievable to those with a smaller amount of credits. If there's a 1000 credit goal and people only have 100 credits, an empty room will be an obvious no-go for the goal. I think it's fine to have a party and continue what you're doing based on tips or to start something else based off tips. Quantifying can k!ll a room. I've seen a room with a goal that removes it come alive, and I've seen a room die after a goal was set.

It may seem like there's a tip counter tool in the topic, but there's not, unless I just haven't come across a model that knows how to use it yet. :orglaugh

There may be something they can type, similar to the emojis that can track it, but it's manually changed from what I've been told. They can set a party goal, but not sure about the tracking within topic part. From what I've seen, there's a spot where the topic is typed in that can be easily edited live with the new number. Again, could be that a lot of people don't know how to use it or just don't use goals, but.....if anyone knows otherwise, please share so i can share! :winkwink

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Created by: freneticallycalm

12/13/17 @ 10:28am (EDT) | UTC - 4:00
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Rates: New models have a limit to how much they can charge based on their level. I think it's 40 until you hit First Base, then 60 until you hit High Demand, then 90 until you hit Socialite, then the limit either comes off or is capped at 120 until you reach the next level. If you see a model's rate jump, they probably just reached a new level and are over excited. It's possible that this could be a power score thing rather than a credit thing, but like before, this is what I've been told by models.

I think what you said is mostly correct. I should maybe clarify what I meant.
1. I don't want to miss the forest for the trees. Room dynamics, like setting Party Chat goals or not, is something to master over time. It would be more important to have an enthusiastic room of customers with a triple number status attached. Building those flirt-skills (like math) would be more important. The key word in what I just said was "enthusiastic" ... forest from the trees.
2. Pretty sure there's a credit counter. Either that or there are models who are very on top of it.
3. To my knowledge models can charge LESS than what they're allowed. Again, the issue of pricing is LESS IMPORTANT than knowing the options/buttons available and being good at interviewing someone to negotiate what they want for a certain number of credits.
Button knowledge and negotiation is the forest. Maximizing a model's income is the forest. Setting your rates at this price or the other is the trees.
Trees are important. They make up the forest. I think it's important for model's to have attractive pricing. The question is "What can they get IF they know how to create an enthusiastic room of higher status customers who they've interviewed properly?"

So I agree there is not perfect formula for Party Chats or that I have perfect knowledge of the model's side of the screen or how the pricing systems work.
I do know what makes a good customer experience though. I've seen rooms die when the model STOPS using Party Chat goals when it was working. I think goals work more often than not. As you pointed out, it can work the opposite so it's not an absolute. It's just goals are a tool that models should be able to have in their arsenal and use with some skill. That's what I mean by a good customer experience.
Make sense?

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Created by: z-money

12/13/17 @ 11:07am (EDT) | UTC - 4:00
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To be honest, I almost always avoid party chats with goals now, because it's like a group chat, but you don't get credits back if you don't make the goal, so you better either be sure that others will help achieve it, commit to completing it yourself and paying for everyone else's show, or wait for the party to end and go private. I'm talking about larger goals, obviously. :winkwink

I mentioned the rates because we're talking about new people. New models can't charge 50+ as you mentioned, unless I'm completely wrong on that whole deal. I guess it depends on who we're referring to as new. Don't quote me, but I'm guessing that First base is 50k lifetime credits....not sure. I only know for sure from Socialite (250k) up. Maybe we're getting a little too into the weeds here. :orglaugh

I agree. Rates are a factor, but only once you've been online for a bit.

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Created by: freneticallycalm

12/14/17 @ 4:23am (EDT) | UTC - 4:00
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I agree. Rates are a factor, but only once you've been online for a bit.

A hater of goal-oriented party chats? I don't think my heart can handle the blasphemy!
Usually they'll show a little for any tip, like a flash. I have seen models who are literally laying down staring at the screen occasionally screaming "C'mon guys! Tip!"
... cause that really motivates people to charge the ol' credit card.
If they have silly goals like "100 credit to take off my shirt" and "1,000 credits to take off my pants" then they're just bad at the logistics.
Again ... the issue is FLIRTING. Are they gaining the enthusiasm of the audience?
For instance, Dylan Green is ALWAYS great. If you go into his room, he's chatty (typing), verbal, knows where the camera is. He's in the habit of making the room pop. He's fun and sexy. That's someone who's doing it right! He's been online for 3 years so he's not a newb either.

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Created by: virgilcircle9

12/19/17 @ 3:44am (EDT) | UTC - 4:00
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Forgetting about whispering which is another topic.. the big thing that all models/performers must learn is INTERACTION and relating to their guests as real people. I know it takes time to, but new models must try to build a FAMILY. Yes Frenetically, Dylan has done these things and that is why his room is friendly ( yes you could say I am biased lol lol)

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Created by: gofish

12/19/17 @ 4:08am (EDT) | UTC - 4:00
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With the way some are on the site you just might have to go into the witness protection plan or something :winkwink

By the way totally agree with what you said, but sad to say doubt any of the new performers will actually check out the forums.
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