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Male Performer Chat: Scamming greys - or just stupid?

Created by: chrisdk

6/6/16 @ 11:44am (EDT) | UTC - 4:00
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Okay, so this happened twice in a short time now, I feel I gotta ask you if you have had similar experiences.

Grey user in the room. Members pointing to the "sign up and we can talk on eye-level" option. Grey agrees and keeps asking how, what do I need to do ...

Is that part of signing up really so difficult? How many big green buttons can there be? How difficult can it be to "follow the instructions"? Fill in some data, check your mail, verify your email-address.
Simple, right? RIGHT?

Now, those greys kept on saying, "what now? I didn't get an email. What do I have to do?" - Me torn between, just let it go (let it go, let it goho ... oops

) and trying even harder to explain.

And then this: "Can you set up an account for me?" WTF?? Is this really the most naive thing of these people? Are they plain stupid?
Or might there be a scam going on?

Has anyone experienced this from grey users in any room?

:offtopic

and WTH who goes into a model's room to ask for the twitter account of a specific member he knows visits that room???
If you are a friend, identify yourself, if not, bugger off :mad

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Created by: Akim X

6/6/16 @ 1:01pm (EDT) | UTC - 4:00

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I think need to back to old times when parties was closed for greys. They are really watching too much and not flirting at all lol Funny when they starting to answer to automatical receptionist there wrote that need registrate for chat. "No, it's ok", "Normal like that" etc. In whole their's behavior is too impertinently. It's really annoying

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Created by: malteeser

6/6/16 @ 1:14pm (EDT) | UTC - 4:00
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Created by: chrisdk

6/6/16 @ 1:38pm (EDT) | UTC - 4:00
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You are probably aware, Akim, that we tried (still try?) to convince Flirt admins to do exactly that: NO greys in party chat.
I am afraid that their presence (and clicking buttons maybe?) generates some type of revenue for the site ... that is the only motivation I could somewhat understand for allowing so many unregistered people to watch a show for free that is fueled by the credits of a few good members.

It's when you are happy to see that there are 80 people in the room ... but the performer tells you only 10 are registered members ... that you realize what a lost cause that is

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Created by: gofish

6/6/16 @ 1:42pm (EDT) | UTC - 4:00
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The grey viewers will always be a problem in some way, but there are a few grey viewers who seem to know just how far they can go. Not sure if they might not be able to get the membership for some reason or not.
The site could easily address this problem very by restricting grey viewers from party chat. By allowing greys to partake in party chat really does a disservice to the performers on the site if members see no point in tipping merely to keep the party going. :thumbsup

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Created by: chrisdk

6/6/16 @ 1:47pm (EDT) | UTC - 4:00
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It is very simple. Those who really want to open an account will do it. The others won’t.
They are all lame excuses. They just want to watch for free.
It is up to performers to keep up the standard on this site.
And is seeking some more appreciation from F4F towards its real customers asking too much?

Performers have a particular contribution to this site, being gorgeous and flirtatious and putting on great shows. I really think it is hard to ask from them to IN ADDITION fend off people that the system could take care of by restricting their access more. --- Just as gofish is writing the minute I am finishing this

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It cannot be, that some greys visit this site, and sometimes the same performers, on a DAILY basis, demand of them to remember their names and start chatting as if that was the most normal thing in the world ... showing respect is NOT ONLY about talking as a sensible person , it is ALSO about respecting the nature of this site and registering even for the flirting!!!

:offtopic

greys telling other greys to sign up or be respectful IS funny to watch ...

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Created by: chrisdk

6/6/16 @ 1:58pm (EDT) | UTC - 4:00
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gofish, you say disservice, I am in a bad mood today with all those things happening lately, and I'll go a step further and say it's a disgrace.

It is disruptive to our experience as members
> we try to give greys a chance, to say hi to them, to invite them to join in on the real fun by registering and becoming a part of the group
> but at the end of the day, we're so drained from this effort, that only blocking greys (and sometimes even basics) from chatting at all, brings back the peace to the room
> clearly, we don't tip for the requests of greys [recently a member shouted out "tip when you are a rich bitch" - the performer immediately whispered to me "Don't you tip now!!!!"

]

It should NOT be like this.

It is disruptive to the performer's show and workflow
> clearly he wouldn't want to give in to the demands of greys, try not to get down on a "you're ugly" or "this is boring" or "this is fake, raise your arm" or "can you see me in my cam??"
> when he puts his foot down, he just receives more bad comments about being rude himself ...
> in party chat they are not even sitting back and relaxing, they just keep on demanding more and more ...

It should NOT be like this!

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Created by: malteeser

6/6/16 @ 2:31pm (EDT) | UTC - 4:00
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Sure. What I mean is that performers should not perform in open chat.
Grey users will then be really lured into membership.
I personally think that performers should tease and flirt in open chat and perform only in private/group/party mode.
And yes, grey users should be not allowed in party chat.
Do you expect them to pay if they can watch all for free?
At times, it seems members do not get any much more. That is why I ask again:
Is seeking some more appreciation towards its real customers from F4F asking too much?

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Created by: brett025

6/6/16 @ 3:15pm (EDT) | UTC - 4:00
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Making a change not allowing grey's in Party Chats is a no-brainer. Not long ago one grey said he was only 15 years old so the model rightfully banned him. This should't be something the models have to concern themselves with in open chat or party chat. Its changes like this and a few others that made my decision to drop my VIP membership easier after having one for many, many years.

If grey's are a problem in a models room during Party Chats I'd just say try doing Group Chats (which I prefer) at varying time lengths and pledge amounts so those who cannot financially support the model aren't included.

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Created by: chrisdk

6/6/16 @ 3:56pm (EDT) | UTC - 4:00
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Sure. What I mean is that performers should not perform in open chat.
Grey users will then be really lured into membership.
I personally think that performers should tease and flirt in open chat and perform only in private/group/party mode.
I totally agree, and my apologies if I misunderstood you earlier.
I am afraid that some studios tell their models to give it all in open chat ... why they (lots of them) sheepishly follow this remains a mystery to me.
Ohmibod is surely not helping here :evil

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And yes, grey users should be not allowed in party chat.
Do you expect them to pay if they can watch all for free?
At times, it seems members do not get any much more.
True, too. Privates and group chats are were you get most out of your experience, but it takes a while to find a performer you want to follow to this adventurous area. And in some rooms, you might still have to compete with other sites running for the model at the same time

.

That is why I ask again:
Is seeking some more appreciation towards its real customers from F4F asking too much?

:drinkup

(whispers) no ... the answer is NO

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Created by: chrisdk

6/6/16 @ 4:13pm (EDT) | UTC - 4:00
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Making a change not allowing grey's in Party Chats is a no-brainer. Not long ago one grey said he was only 15 years old so the model rightfully banned him. This should't be something the models have to concern themselves with in open chat or party chat. Its changes like this and a few others that made my decision to drop my VIP membership easier after having one for many, many years.
The problem with mjnor visitors cannot be solved, but surely contained, when restricting greys in general. Clearly, if performers would stay decently dressed in open AND parties were grey-free zones, we would not have to worry about them.
My favorite bans anybody who claims to be mjnor, no matter if "just joking" or in all earnest (no humor in such a behaviour). He gets at least one of those every day...

If grey's are a problem in a models room during Party Chats I'd just say try doing Group Chats (which I prefer) at varying time lengths and pledge amounts so those who cannot financially support the model aren't included.
While I agree that this is an easy solution, I am just not in the mood to dodge today. As Malteeser said, "some more appreciation towards its [Flirt's] real customers" should allow us to turn this corruptive trend around once and for all.

You, Brett, called this a no-brainer. I agree: :bulb

There is NO incentive for performers having greys in party chat.
There is NO incentive for members .. having greys in party chat.

It gives other rarely tipping visitors the impression that they, too, don't need to tip ever.
Let this be a luxury site! Don't play any cheap tricks on hard working performers.

:offtopic

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Created by: louisphillippe

6/6/16 @ 6:50pm (EDT) | UTC - 4:00
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Created by: Kane Boi

6/6/16 @ 7:20pm (EDT) | UTC - 4:00

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Some of they are funny, many times i talk with they (with nice ones), but many are assholes

))), if i ask to create an account, they ask me to show me dick for that, i try to explain they pay nothing for that, so i don t have to show something for that, but no....nobody understand...anyway, every member was guest in a day, if from 10 greys 1 become good member that is good deal lol :angel

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Created by: Akim X

6/7/16 @ 1:13am (EDT) | UTC - 4:00

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Some of they are funny, many times i talk with they (with nice ones), but many are assholes

I have really big doubts that even 1 of 10 of those who spaming at parties and before group will registrate ever :orglaugh

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Created by: gofish

6/7/16 @ 1:20am (EDT) | UTC - 4:00
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Some of they are funny, many times i talk with they (with nice ones), but many are assholes

Very nice response there Kane Boi. I know that Chris there must be having a frustrating day, and the grey are the topic. The point is that the site made a BIG MISTAKE by allowing grey viewers access to party chat.
Having said that I have come across a FEW (take note I said a few) grey viewers who at least are willing to have a conversation with the performer in the chat room, and who never seem to make outlandish requests.
from what I see most members get a kick out of what some of these grey viewers come up with which is sure to get a giggle or two.
Please lets all be friends on the site. Support a performer is a grey viewer gets out of control and tease the grey into submission ....
:winkwink

..bring on the KINK with a big fat :thumbsup

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Created by: chrisdk

6/7/16 @ 6:10am (EDT) | UTC - 4:00
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Some of they are funny, many times i talk with they (with nice ones), but many are assholes

Thank you, yes, that is exactly the motivation in my favorite room. :drinkup

To find those greys who are a little more like us, with enough brains to say hi and make compliments and admit that they didn't think they could get something to see for free, but that it was nice anyway to meet and greet a hot guy

.
Yes it can be fun to fool around with them, but it also gets frustrating to see how blunt most of them are

...
Getting into a fundamental discussion with a grey about manners and respect can be very interesting (when they are able to talk in full sentences, lol) and since it shows where they are located ... :bulb

I have really big doubts that even 1 of 10 of those who spaming at parties and before group will registrate ever :orglaugh

I agree ... 1 out of 1000? One in a million???

The important point Kane made above is that indeed we probably all visited this site for a while as a grey ...
(I certainly did, I wish I remembered what it was, that made me sign up ... I don't think it was a particular performer, but rather the time constraints of daily chatting ... :angel

)
... and that on some level they should get the chance to see what they can expect here. HOWEVER, if they get soooo much beyond FLIRT 4 FREE, they will never become an honest part of it.

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Created by: chrisdk

6/7/16 @ 6:15am (EDT) | UTC - 4:00
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I know that Chris there must be having a frustrating day
:orglaugh

Thanks, Nemo, I am much better today :winkwink

. Some things are just piling up and I had to get it out of my system. Anyhow, I AM hoping, that admins will consider actions to improve this situation for all of us :thumbsup

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Created by: myelmo

6/7/16 @ 9:32am (EDT) | UTC - 4:00
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please remember most of us were grey at one time and I still think it is fun to help a grey become a new member. :thumbsup

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Created by: ironclad

6/7/16 @ 12:04pm (EDT) | UTC - 4:00
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I personally think many grey people have an account but aren't signed in for whatever reason. Maybe they had bad experience with performer or member in certain rooms and they do it to create situations. :twocents

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Created by: davidzzzzzz

6/7/16 @ 12:35pm (EDT) | UTC - 4:00
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please remember most of us were grey at one time and I still think it is fun to help a grey become a new member. :thumbsup

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