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Created by: Emil Cute

4/10/16 @ 5:03am (EDT) | UTC - 4:00

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I'm not sure If that's normal to be naked in a free chat area, but I don't do that. I try to tease and play with customers without showing it ALL. I've noticed that many models now are just sitting with their dicks out and wanking for tips... I don't know you guys, but I have less customers cuz of those models. Just want to know what you think about it.
Maybe I should start working naked too? :angel

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Created by: chrisdk

4/10/16 @ 5:42am (EDT) | UTC - 4:00
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There should be a clear passage about this in your models rules :winkwink

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There were times where models, naked in open chat, would be reported to admins with a possible fine and a ban from the site. However, times have changed a lot.

You'll find enough members who'd want to see you naked for free, but it's not gonna help you to raise interest for prvt sessions.
Teasing and flirting is still the best way to drive people crazy and get them to tip in parties or go prvt.

You'll find lots of similar discussions on the forum, see for example the recent topic "Dick4Free" by fellow performer Kane Boi.

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Created by: Adonis Steel

4/10/16 @ 3:13pm (EDT) | UTC - 4:00

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i agree with you... is stupid to stey naked in free chat and play with your cock weiting for a tip.. in a party is ok if people tip you for that but in free chat never, i dont know what this guys have in their head to stey and wank like a robot..

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Created by: twixel

4/10/16 @ 6:10pm (EDT) | UTC - 4:00
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I understand the argument and see your point. I have wondered why models get naked and wank in open chat. But really what is the difference between "Open Chat" and "Party" if the model is going to be naked and wanking. In Party, they get a different color bar and no one can take them private, they have to stop the show. Which happens because no one is tipping to have fun anyhow.

The difference would help if said models read the forums or had some instruction, taught how to tease and how to use each setting. Alas, all models do not read the forums or receive instructional help and you continue to see free shows.

It is the same argument I have seen in the forums for awhile and nothing will change unless Flirt or Studios hold accountability.

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Created by: Kane Boi

4/10/16 @ 6:27pm (EDT) | UTC - 4:00

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But really what is the difference between "Open Chat" and "Party" if the model is going to be naked and wanking. In Party, they get a different color bar and no one can take them private, they have to stop the show.

Right, what you said is right, maybe is just because when is party come many members, and they know must to tip, but that don't mean they do, or if do, do just 1-2 guys...but anyway, to stay all day and to jerk...is not good...i think the best thing what the site can do, is to block guys without account to watch in party and these shows to be do just in the party, and why not, to put like ticket about 10 credits for every member which enter in party, is not too much, whith that the member prove have money and can tip the model, i think is like the group show, but is just a ideea...

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Created by: chrisdk

4/10/16 @ 6:34pm (EDT) | UTC - 4:00
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...i think the best thing what the site can do, is to block guys without account to watch in party and these shows to be do just in the party, and why not, to put like ticket about 10 credits for every member which enter in party, is not too much, whith that the member prove have money and can tip the model, i think is like the group show, but is just a ideea...

:bowdown

YES, that's how it should be done :thumbsup

and greys were not always allowed into party chat :winkwink

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Created by: Kane Boi

4/10/16 @ 6:37pm (EDT) | UTC - 4:00

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YES, that's how it should be done :thumbsup

and greys were not always allowed into party chat :winkwink

Yeaaaaaaa lol

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Created by: gofish

4/11/16 @ 12:12pm (EDT) | UTC - 4:00
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Very interesting topic here and glad to see that Chris is posting some comment.
Nope coming into a performer's room merely to find him naked and wanking like crazy defeats the purpose of being on the site. Not much you can say to a buck naked guy doing that ....the tease factor just ain't there.
There seems to be two extremes on the site as of late. Guys who get completely naked and those who request tips merely to take the shirt off. The latter often make the mistake by saying they are BORED when nothing happens.
The problem is the fact that the site still seems to refuse to close party chat to the grey viewers, and the fact that the site is trying to compete with a certian other site often referred to as CB. Most consider Flirt to be of better quality & hope thing will change for the better. :thumbsup

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Created by: louisphillippe

4/11/16 @ 1:45pm (EDT) | UTC - 4:00
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Nope coming into a performer's room merely to find him naked and wanking like crazy defeats the purpose of being on the site. Not much you can say to a buck naked guy doing that ....the tease factor just ain't there.
There seems to be two extremes on the site as of late. Guys who get completely naked and those who request tips merely to take the shirt off. The latter often make the mistake by saying they are BORED when nothing happens.
The problem is the fact that the site still seems to refuse to close party chat to the grey viewers, and the fact that the site is trying to compete with a certian other site often referred to as CB. Most consider Flirt to be of better quality & hope thing will change for the better. :thumbsup

For a lot of models to be naked and masturbating seems to work wonders... :thumbsup

for others not so much...

(they might have less to show may be???...;-)...)
:evil

Lots of models complain of the "disadvantage" they face and
they feel it is unfair :evil

well...when in Rome do what the
Romans do!!! :orglaugh

They feel they are missing something....others get more than they do...TSsssssssssss!!!
:guitar

There are no longer any rules of behavior in open room guys like 10 years ago...no room monitors,no fines for infractions,no code of conduct....SO??? :guitar

Models have a choice: do it or DO NOT do it, but stop complaining and crying about it!!!! :drinkup

you have to change with the times and competition guys!! :thumbsup

The allure of the tease factor is no longer working in general
because dozens of sites have the same models working here at unison... :mad

and of course F4F must compete by relaxing the rules to keep making $$$$$$$$$$$$$ in a site THAT USED TO BE
better quality and classier... :drinkup

Lately is just just more expensive ( I can watch the same exact model doing whatever I want just by throwing a few tokens,gold,chips,rupees,shekels.. :winkwink

or some little credits because models cheat the members that pay between 60 and 90 credits here per minute for "PRIVATES" by working in 3 or 4 sites at the same time and collecting tips that way...!!! :evil

In situations like these the baby cry,sensitive and offended models should consider a change of career perhaps?:??
:guitar

Complaining belly aching and crying about it never helps much... :winkwink

Just my

from someone that has seen this site change over and over since 2005 when they had ONLY black and white cameras,no sound :thumbsup

and only PRIVATE existed as a choice of shows... :orglaugh

Ohhh yes!!!....the M***F***King grays were, are and will be a pain in the ass but eventually will replace all of us tired and penniless old time members of the golden times of camming,flirting teasing and making wonderful friends ....

and I want change... :orglaugh

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Created by: brett025

4/11/16 @ 4:13pm (EDT) | UTC - 4:00
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The times have sure changed on this site. Since I joined many moons ago it was okay to be naked in open chat but no stroking was to be allowed. Anymore I would suggest do what works the best for you and makes the most cash. Putting an entry fee to get into a party chat is nothing different than a group chat, which can have really low pledge rates now. Recently ran into a situation where I pledged to a group chat and went to close out another site I had open only to see the model with the feed open on that site, could have saved my 100 credits and went to the other site.

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Created by: lickau

4/11/16 @ 4:21pm (EDT) | UTC - 4:00
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This site used to have "exclusive models" who worked only here .
Has to be near ZERO percentage now .

I think flashes for tips works better than staying naked and giving it away for free :twocents

Female models sometimes has a "Tip menu" in their room topics , so members know how much to tip to see whatever .
There are way more "fake privates" than real . Fake private allows the model to do privates on other sites .

Flirt4Free used to have uniqueness and charm :twocents

Now it is mainly a business . Indeed the times has changed . :twocents

I understand the need for financial growth or be left behind .
Models need to do what they can to maximize their pay too .

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Created by: louisphillippe

4/11/16 @ 4:29pm (EDT) | UTC - 4:00
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My point exactly Brett2005!!! :winkwink

welcome to the club of the broken heart un-trusting old time members... :angel

We have all gotten burned and became very jaded....
I stick to my 5 favorite models from way back that are still here :guitar

I know I can trust them :guitar

No semi privates,party,semi party,almost group chat,semi chats and other money sucking tricks..lolol... :mad

I'm happy with paying $6 to $9 per minute with my
guys... :angel

they would never screw me!!! :thumbsup

Cheers!!! and :twocents

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Created by: louisphillippe

4/11/16 @ 4:39pm (EDT) | UTC - 4:00
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This site used to have "exclusive models" who worked only here .
Has to be near ZERO percentage now .

I think flashes for tips works better than staying naked and giving it away for free :twocents

Now it is mainly a business . Indeed the times has changed . :twocents

I understand the need for financial growth or be left behind .
Models need to do what they can to maximize their pay too .

:thumbsup

DITTO LickaU!!!...but sadly I can only be in one site
at a time and my credits $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$ come out of my one only
wallet

I know 3 models from at least 8 years ago that don't do that to me....(there are 5***** stars superstars ) :thumbsup

The thousands of new ones every week come and go through the
magic revolving door for never to be seen again... :evil

Quality was replaced by quantity... :evil

yet we still pay for gold while we get tin... :evil

We have the Made in China by the thousands kind of "performers" instead of the home grown "hand made" especial ones
of yore...

WTF...this too shall pass!!! :angel

nothing good or bad lasts forever... :orglaugh

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Created by: lickau

4/11/16 @ 4:52pm (EDT) | UTC - 4:00
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All too true louisphillippe .
Visit 10 models and like over half very easy in the "old days ".

Now maybe 2 out of 10 models even say or type hello in 1 to 30 minutes . Room receptionist is most unappealing to me and does not count as a greeting to me .
They are too busy to interact with the members and seem genuine .
Attached to their phones or Ipod - rarely making eye contact with the camera .

When asked and get a reply - many say "Flirt is not in my top/busy pages"

As I have always said - Find a model with a personality and communicates well - TREASURE that relationship with that model .

I am happy to see some male model names still here at or near a decade .
I wish new models had to be a member and visit 10 of the top 20 rooms to develop habits of the top models before their 1st login as a model on this site :twocents

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Created by: chrisdk

4/11/16 @ 5:25pm (EDT) | UTC - 4:00
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I believe it is the fault mostly of studios pressing their models to work many sites at once and obviously giving them advice that is supposed to maximize credit flow. It is those that have the highest in/out of new models, because these simply can't deal with all that at once, can't manage to build a solid fan base and are usually gone rapidly.

I had a favorite once who was laughed at by his studio colleagues

because he was "different", cared about his visitors and talked(!) to them. He tried many things, playing games in group chats and having lots of fun without full nudity and wanking. :drinkup

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Created by: louisphillippe

4/11/16 @ 5:48pm (EDT) | UTC - 4:00
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All too true louisphillippe .Visit 10 models and like over half very easy in the "old days ".Now maybe 2 out of 10 I am happy to see some male model names still here at or near a decade .I wish new models had to be a member and visit 10 of the top 20 rooms to develop habits of the top models before their 1st login as a model on this site :twocents

All too true louisphillippe .Visit 10 models and like over half very easy in the "old days ".Now maybe 2 out of 10 models even say or type hello in 1 to 30 minutes . Room receptionist is most unappealing to me and does not count as a greeting to me .They are too busy to interact with the members and seem genuine .Attached to their phones or Ipod - rarely making eye contact with the camera .When asked and get a reply - many say "Flirt is not in my top/busy pages"As I have always said - Find a model with a personality and communicates well - TREASURE that relationship with that model .I am happy to see some male model names still here at or near a decade .I wish new models had to be a member and visit 10 of the top 20 rooms to develop habits of the top models before their 1st login as a model on this site :twocents

All too true louisphillippe .
Visit 10 models and like over half very easy in the "old days ".

Now maybe 2 out of 10 models even say or type hello in 1 to 30 minutes . Room receptionist is most unappealing to me and does not count as a greeting to me .
They are too busy to interact with the members and seem genuine .
Attached to their phones or Ipod - rarely making eye contact...
I am happy to see some male model names still here at or near a decade .
I wish new models had to be a member and visit 10 of the top 20 rooms to develop habits of the top models before their 1st login as a model on this site :twocents

Sadly most are into quick effortless money,the quicker the better...They are not looking for a faithful clientele or a friendly person,just a quick dollar... :evil

something else my friend : you can't teach morality and
fairness :evil

They have no time for such mundane things..( they have to answer the phones,tablets,FB,Ipods,
Tumbler,Tweeter,CB,pick the pimples in the arms and chest and even noses... etc..etc...ROFLMAO!!!)
:angel

but they love to cry poverty,boredom,injustice,lack of respect,too many requests,boredom,lack of traffic,low earnings etc..etc... :mad

WTF????!!!! at $6 to $9 per minute they make more than my lawyer,dentist or doctor!!!
:guitar

I think it's time to thin out the herds my friends :evil

The last one please turn the light off...LMAO!! :orglaugh

Just my

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Created by: myelmo

4/11/16 @ 5:56pm (EDT) | UTC - 4:00
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to all my naked friends who have the best open chat rooms on the site! :thumbsup

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Created by: louisphillippe

4/11/16 @ 5:58pm (EDT) | UTC - 4:00
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because he was "different", cared about his visitors and talked(!) to them. He tried many things, playing games in group chats and having lots of fun without full nudity and wanking. :drinkup

Then the studios are shooting themselves in the foot... :evil

That is why we loose more and more great models
in the last few years.......
:bulb

As you can see,in a weekly basis, models come by
by the thousands while paying members are less and
less and not very easy to replace (huge competition
in prices and variety of benefits all over :winkwink

)
Paying members are a finite commodity while "performers" are
born every nanosecond...
Flirt thrived in specialization NOT in a mass product available
everywhere... :orglaugh

They will soon see...LMAO!!
For christake!! even Yahoo is going down coming to an end!!
:twocents

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Created by: Brayden Coxx

4/15/16 @ 4:04pm (EDT) | UTC - 4:00

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Personally, the tease factor is the way to go. I hop down to my skibbys and wait till people want it bad enough that they take me to a private chat. There's always those customers that plead and beg for you to just whip it out and I always simply reply with "Take me to private chat and I'll show it to you as much as you'd like". Private chat is where the real money is at. If other models have to live off of tips, well, all to them, but that just ain't me.

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Created by: ronnie-uk

4/26/16 @ 12:45pm (EDT) | UTC - 4:00
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)
Paying members are a finite commodity while "performers" are
born every nanosecond...

I was going to debate this with you, LP, but it may be just a little bit over-the-top

You complained in paperpunch's new topic that many of your postings "die a slow death" here. Not sure what response you expect to negative postings like this. I hope you haven't frightened all the new performers away

As you know I like to praise the best rather than criticise the worst. We view things differently, and I like the fact that we can have a lively debate and still be friends. I particularly enjoyed our discussion last year in these 2 topics:

Has the SPARK gone out of Flirt????
http://www.flirt4free.com/forums/threads.php?forum_id=5&thread_id=22709&num_posts=42

S o Many Hot Models ... Not Enough Credits
http://www.flirt4free.com/forums/threads.php?forum_id=5&thread_id=16737&num_posts=47

I think you are a great guy. I remember a couple of days after I said I didn't like your rather negative "what members don't want to see" topic you very generously said you loved my new "best bodies" list which I mentioned here:

http://www.flirt4free.com/forums/threads.php?forum_id=5&thread_id=22893&num_posts=7

I think we all want the forum to be lively, fun, interesting and useful and we contribute in our different ways. Not sure what the handful of regular contributors can do to encourage more members and performers to post here. Perhaps someone should post a separate topic about that...

Apologies to Emil Cute for going :offtopic

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