I have a question for models that visit the forums. Can you read my story hear and give your opinion? I'd really like to know.

I recently had another experience of a model seemingly milking credits from a private show. This was a new-ish model. We'd had one shy private show in his first few days, and this was a week later. We talked before the show, agreed on the amount of time and the type of show, a jerk-off session. Most of the show was great, very entertaining, but the agreed time finished and the guy kept saying "just a few minutes more", "just a couple of minutes more"... and then surprise surprise, the guy cums about 30 seconds before my wallet is empty. So I am fairly sure this guy was looking at my wallet and timing himself to get as many credits as he could. This has happened to me before but not for a while. Yes I was probably stupid to have more credits showing there. And yes I know life is tough for many models here and the extra money will be helpful for this guy. But even so, it left a bad feeling and I probably wont be visiting him again.

What I want to know is why do models do this? For this model - a friendly. sexy, seemingly nice guy - he has got a few tens of dollars more from one private show but, if I don't go back to him, he will miss out on another 5 or 10 or more shows from me in the future. Do experienced models tell the new guys that milking credits is a good thing? Do the models think that members don't realise what they are doing?

I dont want this thread to fill up with complaints about models. I like models and I know life is tough for many people. I am not even that upset by this - it has happened before and it will happen again. I just want to know why. If a model thinks for more a few seconds then surely they must realise that milking credits just drives away the repeat members.

I'd welcome comments from models. Maybe most members are shits and try to rip off models, so the new models get advised to take advantage the other way? Is this so? Or is there another reason?

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Well, I will say about me as a model, I don t know what other models do, yes, I try to get more and more, that s human i guess, but here is about respect too, and is rude to do make the show to be a begging for more credits, yes I ask more, if it is possible, but if is not possible, or number of credits/minutes is already a good one of course I do my best to finish that show and we both to be happy, now you see, that depends of member too, for exemple if I feel in private the member is “a bit” rude with me and he keep insisting “cum faster” “cum faster”, and is not case for that, I will try to make it longer than is necessary, if the member is a friend of mine, I don t think at credits to be honest, I do the best show I can, if I don t know the member and he make me feel like I should enjoy in his private and not to “cum cum fast” still I do my best to do it good, but how you have the exemple that you made a deal with him before about minutes/credits whatever and he was agree with that I think he should do that and to do not expect at more minutes and if there would be more minutes that to be a bonus, but there are many situations when we can t always to keep always our promises like we say that we cum in 15 min and we can t and we need 5 min more, because a cum show is something which the dick does, not us lol, we just help the dick to give get that milk out, I repeat, we just help, is not something exactly like a mechanic watch haha, well, hope in future won t be posts like that and everyone will be happy even if I know that will happen always, have fun guys Quote

I think the newer models don't know any better. There isn't any mentor program, so models just have to use their best common sense about marketing. Some new models say they have a quota to meet and need to get all they can out of a private to be allowed to broadcast again. I don't know if that's true, but I've heard it several times.

Smart models would watch other rooms and learn from the successful ones. I suspect most models aren't smart enough to engage in market research like that.

I have been milked a few times, and I didn't go back. In my case it was the models' long-term loss. Heck, I've even had a couple of fake cum shots before, the old lotion squirting out of the hand trick. Some people just think about getting whatever they can get now and don't consider tomorrow. They see credits on the table and think like drug addicts.

There is an offset, though. A lot of cheapskate customers want the model's guarantee he will cum in five minutes or eight minutes, or some such deadline, or they try to persuade the model to take a private for 15 cpm for 40 minutes. I even saw a customer once say that if he had to pay full rate, his family wouldn't have dinner. Those customers, if they happen to be the ones who get milked, deserve to be milked.

The best sessions I had were when I had a very generous amount of credits visible in my wallet and told the model, "All those credits are yours. I want to see (fill in the blank). You can do it in 10 minutes and I'll tip you whatever is left over so you can get back to your room quicker, or you can run the clock." The model, of course, has to trust me to empty my wallet if he finishes faster. Some customers aren't that trustworthy (see previous paragraph). Overall I sympathize with models. Most of the abuse I see is customer abusing model. In the past when I was buying credits, I never asked for a rate discount, I don't ask for anything free even now, and the models who recognize me know that. Quote

I have a question for models that visit the forums. Can you read my story hear and give your opinion? I'd really like to know.

I recently had another experience of a model seemingly milking credits from a private show. This was a new-ish model. We'd had one shy private show in his first few days, and this was a week later. We talked before the show, agreed on the amount of time and the type of show, a jerk-off session. Most of the show was great, very entertaining, but the agreed time finished and the guy kept saying "just a few minutes more", "just a couple of minutes more"... and then surprise surprise, the guy cums about 30 seconds before my wallet is empty. So I am fairly sure this guy was looking at my wallet and timing himself to get as many credits as he could. This has happened to me before but not for a while. Yes I was probably stupid to have more credits showing there. And yes I know life is tough for many models here and the extra money will be helpful for this guy. But even so, it left a bad feeling and I probably wont be visiting him again.

What I want to know is why do models do this? For this model - a friendly. sexy, seemingly nice guy - he has got a few tens of dollars more from one private show but, if I don't go back to him, he will miss out on another 5 or 10 or more shows from me in the future. Do experienced models tell the new guys that milking credits is a good thing? Do the models think that members don't realise what they are doing?

I dont want this thread to fill up with complaints about models. I like models and I know life is tough for many people. I am not even that upset by this - it has happened before and it will happen again. I just want to know why. If a model thinks for more a few seconds then surely they must realise that milking credits just drives away the repeat members.

I'd welcome comments from models. Maybe most members are shits and try to rip off models, so the new models get advised to take advantage the other way? Is this so? Or is there another reason?

All polite comments welcome.


sex is sex. it lasts as long as it lasts, its about getting the person interested enough to stick around AFTER the private.shame on this model for not thinking it through
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It's hard to say what happened with that guy. It could be that he was so new that he couldn't finish under pressure or didn't have a good idea of how long it would take. Like Danny alluded to, it's not something that everyone can easily control, so maybe he just really couldn't perform the way he needed to at that time. I have tried to avoid this problem before by doing Show Offers so that we both know "this is the amount of credits and time," but that can also backfire on you if something happens during the show and you run out of time. That happened to me, and it was my fault (I sidetracked the show). I'm kinda harsh...or at least insistent on sticking to a deal if one is struck. I won't hesitate to back out if there are signs that intentions are not what I thought or expected them to be. We control the flow of credits, so we're ultimately responsible for shutting off that flow when possible (which it isn't in a show offer). I don't really do shows outside of my main squeezes anymore , so I don't encounter this, but I'm sure being a new model is tough. Maybe you can let the guy know so he understands what went wrong? Quote

I think anytime we decide to take a performer to private, we're taking a chance. We're trusting that they'll be able to fulfill whatever task they were asked of.

Personally I always try to get a first impression of someone through open chat. If I feel enough comfort/connection has been made, we'll arrange a show.

When I first joined the site, I was more careless than I am now. I would foolish believe someone when they suggested I buy more credits at the 90 second mark so they can finish cumming. But as they say, you learn from your mistakes.

Cum shows tend to be the default for private shows but I always try changing it up when I can to keep things refreshed. This also helps lower my expectations so I'm not too dissapointed if the performer never actually or tries to cum.

Now I've been "milked out" of credits too by "non-newbies" who clearly knew what they were doing. Like others, the end result would just be me opting not to visit their rooms anymore.

I think it just depends on the performer. There was one (at the time) new model who had a very awkward show with at first. His English was limited, he seemed nervous when I turned on C2C and his moves were just off. I sympathized with him and after a few more visits/shows, he has improved tremendously.

I try to keep in mind that this is a business. If I can help some of these guys with credits in exchange for satisfying show, then I think both parties are content. Quote

Thanks for the interesting replies.

Danny, Peter, I agree 100% about timing for private shows, each model is different, and no one should expect models to cum in only a few minutes. And probably some members are so unreasonable that anything is ok. In the case I described, maybe I was wrong. I dont think so, because the guy's timing was very exact - right before my credits ran out - but maybe that was just a coincidence. Who can know for sure.

But my original aim in posting this wasn't so much to complain about it, but to try and let models know that milking decent customers is a bad idea. I know there is a model forum, - are there advice topics there for new models? Maybe you could have a list like this.

1: Lots of members will try and scam you. Don't do anything for free. And don't believe it when a member says he'll tip you later.

2. If the member seems reasonable, has already tipped you a few times. and isn't asking for impossible things, then be reasonable back to him and treat him with the same respect. If you do this, maybe he will come back again and again, and help you earn your salary each week.

(Probably I am over thinking this. I know ... )
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I read this over. I'm basically seeing a natural difficulty.
1. Bad customers who put models of edge and can make them behave unethically toward good patrons.
2. Bad models who put customers on edge and can make them behave unethically toward good models.
3. Sticky situations where everyone kinda felt "off."

This situation sounds like #3.
A new model who may not realize that "timing his ejaculation" is an important skill combined with a customer who set specific parameters in the beginning. Both had "fair and reasonable limitations" but it kinda didn't work out as planned. Everyone's at fault but no one's wrong.
So that's the emotional state of things. How do you move past that, other than awkwardly avoiding each other?
Well, someone has to bring it up and then you have to rely on the other person to be big enough to talk it through maturely and rationally like adults ... which is why relationships suck.
It probably should be on the model to cultivate the relationship and offer an olive branch if they got more than what the customer agreed. 5 free mins perhaps?
It probably should be on the customer if they were hasty with the model. We all get horny and in a particular state of mind we're less than proud of, and ultimately I think models can understand that. Perhaps what would be in order is a 100 credit apology tip or 3x their highest cpm rate, whichever is greater.
In any case, the gift and the conversation go hand-in-hand. Whether model or patron, don't be cheap and rude; be generous and understanding. Quote